- Approved ~ Lord Løki
This one is inspired by this message board’s most dogmatic theist.
So invariably when discussing the bible, people toss out “You aren’t saved therefore you just don’t understand the bible”
And then this verse gets pasted
” For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 18
Then I wonder “Well, how the hell did 600k words of the old testament get written when literally no one is “saved” according to the definition of “saved” to Christians. What is saved? Well according to got questions website “We are saved by faith. First, we must hear the gospel—the good news of Jesus’ death and resurrection (Ephesians 1:13). Then, we must believe—fully trust the Lord Jesus (Romans 1:16).”
More specifically in Romans 10:17 it says “Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.“
So according to Paul, anyone who has not accepted Christ as their savior is unsaved. Also according to Paul, anyone who is unsaved is also someone who is perishing. And as we know anyone who is perishing should also believe Paul’s message is foolish. Therefore Paul says that salvation comes from people believing foolish things.
Am I correct in saying that anyone who has not heard about Christ and trust fully in his sacrifice is not saved?
If you are not saved, am I correct in saying that you are “perishing”?
If you are perishing then why must you believe things that are foolish to be saved?
If no one before Christ was saved, how the hell were we able to write down 600k words from God if no one understood God?
How did scripture survive 1000 years if no one understood it?
Are these verses compatible with each other?
I guess ultimately, if God selected people to believe his message, then why this whole ruse of a universe? He could have just souls to hang out with him for an eternity….
Here is what I believe is happening. Paul needs a reason to explain why people don’t believe him. And his reason is that “you are special and saved, that is why you believe Paul”. But later in Romans he says faith comes from hearing his revelation. But, his converts are too stupid to put things together. They already feel special for believing Paul’s claims. And they have a reason to feel good about. They are saved. And they have this spirit sensor that tells them these revelations are from God. Why? Because Paul told them that people who believe his claims have a spirit censer capable of informing them that messages are from God.
But,when you read Exodus, God does not rely on people having a spirit sensor to detect his message, he actually comes down with Moses as a thick cloud and speaks the words as Moses speaks those words. For what reason? So that they can BELIEVE Moses!
The LORD said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the LORD what the people had said.