Was Jesus Mortal or Immortal and Divine?

Was Jesus Mortal or Immortal and Divine?

Well, today’s zealot Christians will tell you Jesus is immortal and divine, while the original followers of Jesus said that Jesus was born through the union of Mary and man, and that Jesus was a mortal man. The Ebionites acknowledged Jesus as neither a divine sonship nor a preexistence, nor the product of a virgin birth. Which came into being with the later Gentiles inventing Jesus, to bring him inline with more ancient gods. We know that Jesus of the scripture acknowledged his God, the same as Christians today acknowledge Jesus. Jesus of the New Testament sees God as his father or supreme deity, and not as the Trinitarians see Jesus as equal to the father, and holy Ghost, the three in one impossibility. We see this in several passages of the New Testament, especially during the so-called crucifixion. 

Jesus said, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.’ And they divided up his clothes by casting lots. Luke 23:34 Or When Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lemasabachthani?’ (which means ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’) Mark 15:34, however Matthew 27:46 versions state: ‘Eli, Eli, lemasabachthani?’ See Matthew 46; Mark 15:34* These verses attest to Jesus’ mortality, and non-divine ship, and a person scared to die, which is human nature! Not to forget that Jesus bled, and died, which is another human trait! His resurrection was added in later biblical manuscripts, but omitted from earlier versions before the 5th-century. With the latter versions ascribing to the ancient gods that saw them resurrected. Such as Set, Osiris, Mithras, Persephone, Adonis, Dionysus, et al.

*(The New Testament was written in Greek, but the Greek text records Jesus’ words in Aramaic ((Eloi) in Mark, (Eli) Hebrew in Matthew). The Gospel writers transliterated the Aramaic (Mk 15) and Hebrew (Mt 27) into the Greek script.)

If Jesus were a God, why did he train to become a magician, as people in his time, according to Justin Martyr, and other early church-fathers known him as a magician? Being a god gives, one would think, the ability to perform miracles with the snap of the fingers. According to Jewish scriptures, Jesus learned magic in Egypt and cut magical formulas in the form of charms into his skin. ‘Did not Ben Stada (epithet for Jesus) bring forth sorcery from Egypt by means of scratches on his flesh?’ [Shabbat 104b]


The Christian Story of Jesus, who lived into old age.

Ancient Church fathers have written things that conservative Christians today are alarmed to read, or totally reject. Mainly because certain stories do not fit their narrow minds through centuries old indoctrination by their church. Hopefully, by now, readers of the Bible will know through amendments that all ancient biblical manuscripts before the 5th-century omit the resurrection of their saviour (Mark 16:1-8). One such story by a leading Church-Father Irenaeus tells the story of a mortal Jesus living to old age.

Irenaeus of Lyon (130-202), writing on the life of Jesus, wrote: For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old, Luke 3:23 when He came to receive baptism); and, [according to these men] He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being, in fact, still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years, and that this extends onwards to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of *Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? [Irenaeus Against Heresies Bk II, Ch. XXII, 5] *Emperor Trajan reined from 98-117 CE.

An Ancient Error.                                                                                                                    
This isn’t just a modern sentimental error. It’s a view of Jesus that the orthodox Christians condemned in the early church, a view called Docetism. This view was closely associated with the broader point of view called gnosticism. In this view, Jesus wasn’t really one of us. He wasn’t human because a really divine being just can’t be human. The physical world was a nasty, inherently corrupt thing, and the idea that a divine being could become a person who inhabited this place – or even worse, who was part of it – was unthinkable (this is the wider Gnostic view). Docetism comes from the Greek term δόκησις (dokēsis) meaning “apparition” or phantom, something that only seems to be there but isn’t really. That’s exactly what Christ did, in the docetic view; he seemed to be human, but he wasn’t really human. Popular versions of docetism can be seen in, for example, the Ebionite movement. Here, Jesus was seen as a normal human man in every way, until his baptism. At his baptism, the spirit of Christ descended upon Jesus, empowering him for his incredible ministry. But since gods do not die, the Ebionite view taught that as Jesus hung on the cross, the spirit of Christ departed, leaving the mere man Jesus to die. https://www.afterlife.co.nz/articles/was-jesus-mortal/

What do you say, was Jesus a Mortal man? If yes, what does that mean for the so-called second coming of Jesus, which, according to Mark 9:1, it has been and gone?

Cofion

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Jero Jones

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